Washington trying again to ban plastic bags

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Re: Washington trying again to ban plastic bags

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storewanderer wrote: December 22nd, 2020, 6:42 pm However you can ask them at pick up to unload all of the items into your vehicle without bags and then no bag fee would be assessed.
I'd be curious to know this-suppose a customer made an online order and did not indicate a preference such as this and when they go to pick it up everything is bagged? Could they ask their order be UN-bagged and not get charged a bag fee? Taking this further, if their order is unbagged in this manner then what happens to those bags? Would the store dispose of them or try to reuse them for another customer's online order? I wouldn't feel very comfortable as a customer getting used bags not only from a sanitary standpoint but if I'm going to have to pay for bags I want them to be brand new. Personally today, unless someone is incredibly cheap, I would not want my groceries unbagged because that means someone other than myself or a member of my household has to handle those items again. Then say you brought your own bags-that means you have to handle those items again at the store and then again when you get home. And unless you have a huge order, what's a bag fee going to set somebody back? Even if someone had say ten bags that's what-maybe fifty cents to a dollar or so? I really don't see how that would be worth the hassle of it all.

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Re: Washington trying again to ban plastic bags

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TW-Upstate NY wrote: December 23rd, 2020, 10:21 am
storewanderer wrote: December 22nd, 2020, 6:42 pm However you can ask them at pick up to unload all of the items into your vehicle without bags and then no bag fee would be assessed.
I'd be curious to know this-suppose a customer made an online order and did not indicate a preference such as this and when they go to pick it up everything is bagged? Could they ask their order be UN-bagged and not get charged a bag fee? Taking this further, if their order is unbagged in this manner then what happens to those bags? Would the store dispose of them or try to reuse them for another customer's online order? I wouldn't feel very comfortable as a customer getting used bags not only from a sanitary standpoint but if I'm going to have to pay for bags I want them to be brand new. Personally today, unless someone is incredibly cheap, I would not want my groceries unbagged because that means someone other than myself or a member of my household has to handle those items again. Then say you brought your own bags-that means you have to handle those items again at the store and then again when you get home. And unless you have a huge order, what's a bag fee going to set somebody back? Even if someone had say ten bags that's what-maybe fifty cents to a dollar or so? I really don't see how that would be worth the hassle of it all.
That is how it works- if someone wants to use their own bags, then the order gets un-bagged at the point of pick up and the bag fee is credited.

Some stores (Safeway, Kroger, etc.) put the items into bags then into plastic crates for storage until you pick up and put your name/pick up info on a label that is on the plastic crate. Some stores seem to just store the bags loose or on a shelf (Target) with stickers on the bags for the individual order.

Target does re-use the bags as I have done pick up orders there where the sticker on the pick up bag with my name/phone number is put over a sticker that had someone else's name/phone number.

In many parts of San Francisco area (San Mateo county, San Francisco city, and some scattered others) the bag fee is 25 cents per bag. The fee increase is to encourage more people to use reusable bags. It just went up July 1 in San Francisco. So this adds up. The point with these fees is to keep people from taking the bags. A 10 cent fee is a nominal fee like you point out- for 5 bags, a 50 cent fee- most people are not going to care. But a 25 cent fee, so now $1.25, maybe someone will care and not want to pay it and refuse the bags. And if not then you just keep putting the fee higher until it gets people to quit taking the bags. That is the reasoning behind the folks who implement and promote these bag bans. They do not want anyone using disposable bags. Reusable bags only. Move the fee up until the desired behavior is achieved.

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Re: Washington trying again to ban plastic bags

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I was in my local Target store yesterday, and they have "corporate printed" signs all over the front end about the new bag fees. Apparently somebody did not get the memo about the delay. For what it's worth, the self-checkout did not ask about bags, so I wasn't charged. This speaks more to Target being out of touch with some of its stores on the local level than anything.

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Haven't been in the local Target since probably before Thanksgiving but at the time they were still not charging for bags. Don't know if that's changed since but they were eating the cost up to that point. And of all the stores, their bags are probably the most durable and sturdy ones around. They actually have handles which make it so much easier to carry out of the store vs. the standard issue paper bags you get at most supermarkets locally.

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Re: Washington trying again to ban plastic bags

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In WA there is legislation pending to delay the bag ban until at least July 1, 2021, but at the option of the governor, until as late as January 1, 2022.

Then, there is also in addition to that, something written into the law allowing stores to use previously purchased thin plastic bags, for up to one year after the law is implemented.

Also WA law even after bag ban goes into effect allows compostable plastic bags to be distributed free of charge (those are not banned, as I thought before)... will be interesting to see if any chain picks up on that better for the environment and sanitary/customer friendly option or they are happy to throw the super thick bags with a bag fee at the customer.

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Re: Washington trying again to ban plastic bags

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TW-Upstate NY wrote: January 9th, 2021, 8:51 am Haven't been in the local Target since probably before Thanksgiving but at the time they were still not charging for bags. Don't know if that's changed since but they were eating the cost up to that point. And of all the stores, their bags are probably the most durable and sturdy ones around. They actually have handles which make it so much easier to carry out of the store vs. the standard issue paper bags you get at most supermarkets locally.
Remember that the NY rules don't require a fee unless the county/area opts in to it, and so far it's fairly limited (5 counties that make up NYC, Suffolk, Tompkins and Albany, plus the cities of Troy and White Plains). Many stores outside those areas still choose to charge their own fee (which they can, just as Aldi has for years as you mentioned in that post) but they don't have to do so.

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