Raley's to buy Arizona chain Bashas'

[ClownLoach]

The land value situation is complicating this further as you see more and more store sites being repurposed into apartments combined with retail, or efforts to make such a development. Highest and best use of land certainly rules and the developers know this and are willing to spend the years to get it right (well, it is a matter of opinion what is right)- or should we say, get the development in place that will make the developers the most money.

I think there is also less motivation by the retailer to do speedy redevelopments in California because typically they are going to "own" the neighborhood no matter what they do. It isn't like they are in a rush to get a larger/better store up, because of competition that has already been approved and is about to show up nearby. Their motivation to get a larger/better store up is basically a slam dunk decision for them to replace an aging facility/aging equipment, demolish or shift the position of their store so the site can be repurposed into other uses and the site more productive from a real estate standpoint, or invest in their facility as a defensive move to keep a competitor from ever getting approved to come in nearby.

One word: earthquakes.

Seismic requirements are not a California government "thing" but a requirement for insurance. In Texas you can build a cinder block or pre-poured concrete tilt up in a few months. You just attach the walls and roof to a stable concrete base.

In California due to liquefaction the first step becomes pounding metal or concrete core pilings up to 100 feet into the ground depending on how far you must go to reach solid bedrock. That alone is a year. Then every aspect of the wall construction must be heavily reinforced and woven with rebar. Walls and roof beams both must be heavily load bearing. All must be thicker and heavier than material used elsewhere. Open ceiling stores are an easy comparison. If you look at a recent build on the West Coast (since now Oregon and Washington are considered even more earthquake risk than California) versus anything in the Midwest you'll see that the stores have twice as many columns and beams, and they're much heavier. This is why it costs at least double to build here. The government has nothing to do with it.

Thank you for rising above the "cursory" explanations that are so popular.

Now that basically the entire West Coast is on the same program new developments in Washington and Oregon seem to have also grinded to a halt. They are not used to the requirements of the deep pylons, drilling, etc. up there yet and there are not enough people who know how or equipment to get it done. Anyone who does know is basically stationed 24/7 replacing gas stations with 45 story high rises in Downtown Seattle. It is mind boggling how fast the downtown core of high rises is moving towards Queen Anne Hill. I fear that in 5 years if you go up the hill to see the viewpoint of all of Seattle there will be nothing to see but a wall of generic glass towers standing another 20 stories above you.

[ClownLoach]

The land value situation is complicating this further as you see more and more store sites being repurposed into apartments combined with retail, or efforts to make such a development. Highest and best use of land certainly rules and the developers know this and are willing to spend the years to get it right (well, it is a matter of opinion what is right)- or should we say, get the development in place that will make the developers the most money.

I think there is also less motivation by the retailer to do speedy redevelopments in California because typically they are going to "own" the neighborhood no matter what they do. It isn't like they are in a rush to get a larger/better store up, because of competition that has already been approved and is about to show up nearby. Their motivation to get a larger/better store up is basically a slam dunk decision for them to replace an aging facility/aging equipment, demolish or shift the position of their store so the site can be repurposed into other uses and the site more productive from a real estate standpoint, or invest in their facility as a defensive move to keep a competitor from ever getting approved to come in nearby.

One word: earthquakes.

Seismic requirements are not a California government "thing" but a requirement for insurance. In Texas you can build a cinder block or pre-poured concrete tilt up in a few months. You just attach the walls and roof to a stable concrete base.

In California due to liquefaction the first step becomes pounding metal or concrete core pilings up to 100 feet into the ground depending on how far you must go to reach solid bedrock. That alone is a year. Then every aspect of the wall construction must be heavily reinforced and woven with rebar. Walls and roof beams both must be heavily load bearing. All must be thicker and heavier than material used elsewhere. Open ceiling stores are an easy comparison. If you look at a recent build on the West Coast (since now Oregon and Washington are considered even more earthquake risk than California) versus anything in the Midwest you'll see that the stores have twice as many columns and beams, and they're much heavier. This is why it costs at least double to build here. The government has nothing to do with it.

Thank you for rising above the "cursory" explanations that are so popular.

All I will say is this. California is a very difficult place to do business due to the many protections in place for the public. It's an expensive place to live because of all of the taxes. But the moment something happens to you as a worker or customer and you are injured by the business you'll thank your lucky stars that you live in California. The moment you have a situation with a friend or loved one who is in sudden need of major medical attention and doesn't have the ability to pay to save their life - you'll be happy they're in California where they'll be completely taken care of because otherwise they would be 6 feet under.

It's a tough concept to grasp.

[veteran+]

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Romr123]

Just saw an ad for Bashas on Phoenix TV---featuring meat, touting their "real butchers in-store". Easter special was Hormel Cure81 ham for 99 cents/lb. Mouthwatering ad, TBH--looked quite appetizing.

[storewanderer]

Just saw an ad for Bashas on Phoenix TV---featuring meat, touting their "real butchers in-store". Easter special was Hormel Cure81 ham for 99 cents/lb. Mouthwatering ad, TBH--looked quite appetizing.

They have another ad on their website about a renewed spirit at the Bashas chain. It is funny as it shows scratch bakery activity (donuts and bread), fresh cut berries/melon... Raleys doesn't do any scratch bakery in-store anymore (tried to switch to donuts that were Little Debbie type thaw and serve in little single air tight envelopes during COVID but they were so terrible I notice more recently they went back to the bakeoff donuts they had before COVID, which are above average in quality as the frostings they use seem to be different/better than most other chains) and doesn't do any fresh cut fruit either in the store (gets stuff from third party suppliers for produce melon cups and such and the deli fruit salad if they have it comes in frozen).

Haven't seen any changes at Raleys other than the ongoing price hikes and ongoing joke known as Raleys ONE. Despite many efforts on my part to shop it, still hardly shopping at Raleys ONE. Between not fresh product, the terrible pricing, the weird mix, it still isn't working out in Reno.

Would like to see Raleys figure out how to get Boar's Head into the rest of their delis. They passed on Boar's Head before, that was a mistake, but maybe now that Bashas sells it they can figure out a way to get it into their own stores too. They had a chance in Reno when they took Scolaris over too as Scolaris had Boar's Head but they again passed.