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Death of AM/PM

Post by storewanderer » June 9th, 2018, 9:34 pm

Are Am/Pms debranding at a rapid rate (but staying Arco) in other areas or is northern Nevada an odd case? The Arcos up here are all owned by different people so it isn't a case of some multi-site operator deciding to do independent.

So far in the past year, two Am/Pms in Carson City have gone to no-name c-store format.

More recently I have observed in Minden, NV the Arco has replaced its roadside sign to just say "Arco" but the building still has an AM PM sign so this one is still an Am/Pm but I wonder why the roadside sign was replaced...

And in the past few weeks one Am/Pm has taken down its signs at Rock/Victorian in Sparks (now the Rock'n B Mini Mart still with Arco) and a second Am/Pm in Reno on Sierra Highlands Drive has removed its Am/Pm exterior signage and is now "Sierra ARCO."

Also telling is how sloppy the debrandings are. I went into the "Sierra ARCO" and they still have AM PM signs all over the wall above the soda machine, still using Am/Pm cups, still using Am/Pm plastic bags, etc.

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Re: Death of AM/PM

Post by SamSpade » June 9th, 2018, 9:41 pm

Still AM/PM in the Portland area. Saw a TV ad bookend with "toomgis / #tmgs" their mascot. I wish our locations were as nice as the one in this ad! (The topping bar made it resemble a Maverik)

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Re: Death of AM/PM

Post by storewanderer » June 9th, 2018, 10:50 pm

SamSpade wrote:
June 9th, 2018, 9:41 pm
Still AM/PM in the Portland area. Saw a TV ad bookend with "toomgis / #tmgs" their mascot. I wish our locations were as nice as the one in this ad! (The topping bar made it resemble a Maverik)
I assume they are stronger in the BP-controlled regions.

I am in a Tesoro-controlled region.

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Re: Death of AM/PM

Post by jamcool » June 10th, 2018, 1:05 am

I assume Arco has a smaller store count in N Nevada than in Vegas.
The whole Arco/Am-Pm situation is complicated now with Marathon acquiring Andeavor (Tesoro). BP licenses the Am-Pm name to Andeavor in SoCal/AZ/NV. Andeavor licenses the ARCO brand to BP in NoCal and the Northwest. Marathon has its own convenience store brand - Speedway- and probably doesn’t want to pay the licensing fees to a competitor.

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Re: Death of AM/PM

Post by Brian Lutz » June 10th, 2018, 3:20 pm

No changes I've seen here, although I rarely visit one. Arco gas has a bit of a reputation as being of poor quality, so a fair number of people avoid it entirely.

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Re: Death of AM/PM

Post by Super S » June 10th, 2018, 7:27 pm

AM/PM seemed to be stagnant for a while in my area. Several locations closed, a couple became Chevron, others sat vacant for several years. One in Vancouver, WA recently reopened as an AM/PM, while another in Longview, WA recently reopened as a liquor store (the gas pumps and canopy were removed) There is also a new-build within the last few years along Cornelius Pass Road near Hillsboro, OR.

AM/PM makes up for low gas prices by charging some of the highest prices I have ever seen in my life in their stores. Higher than most other convenience stores. I also avoid them.

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Re: Death of AM/PM

Post by storewanderer » June 10th, 2018, 10:16 pm

Super S wrote:
June 10th, 2018, 7:27 pm
AM/PM seemed to be stagnant for a while in my area. Several locations closed, a couple became Chevron, others sat vacant for several years. One in Vancouver, WA recently reopened as an AM/PM, while another in Longview, WA recently reopened as a liquor store (the gas pumps and canopy were removed) There is also a new-build within the last few years along Cornelius Pass Road near Hillsboro, OR.

AM/PM makes up for low gas prices by charging some of the highest prices I have ever seen in my life in their stores. Higher than most other convenience stores. I also avoid them.
Well, some AM PMs charge super high prices. Others charge "market rate" type prices. That is one of the problems I have with them. They do not control their franchisees well at all. The 35 cent debit fee (or weird credit card policies up in WA; I've seen $5 minimum, $10 minimum, etc.) doesn't help either.

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Re: Death of AM/PM

Post by SamSpade » June 11th, 2018, 8:57 am

There was a Toomgis radio ad on in the Bay Area as well.

It will sure be interesting to see how this all sorts out ... eventually. :)

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