You hit it in an earlier post when you said they need something that is compostable. Not the paper bag since there is a limited amount of resources from which to produce the paper bags. Trader Joe's has the compostable plastic-like bag in produce. It works just like any other plastic produce bag. There are compostable plastic-like trash bags too. The retailers should figure out how to have compostable plastic-like disposable bags, if production increased surely costs would go down.veteran+ wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 7:58 am It's NOT about anyone's IDEAS!
It's about trying to come up with imperfect "ideas" to help the environment.
Our ideas should be based on research, science and data (and as always revisit our findings and adjust).
Ideally (I wish), whatever we use should be non toxic to ourselves and the environment.
And.........they should be apolitical.
It seems you make those that at least try into nutty left ideologues.
For a variety of reasons, disposable cups, bags, plates, containers, etc. are needed. Compostable is the answer. Not everyone has a washing machine and can wash their reusable bag every time they use it. The majority of reusable bags are not machine washable either and given we have shortages of soap, bleach wipes, and paper products right now there is not an easy way to clean those.
Forcing people to use reusable bags or buy a super thick plastic bag (or if on food stamps, receive the super thick plastic bag free) that is 10+ times thicker than the thin one was absolutely not the right answer. There may be fewer bags going out but I suspect the total weight is higher than before with these super thick plastic bags.
It is easy for the poster who is so critical of my complaining about these bag bans to become frustrated. Given the poster is involved with Costco, where there are no bags. But spoiler alert, how many of those big packs of items are wrapped in thin plastic film (the same stuff the bags are made out of) so they are held together? A ton. But warehouse club stores are sending out tons of thin film plastic with its customers, it is in the packaging that the items are wrapped in and comes into the warehouse that way. Like those little 4 packs of toilet paper bundled together in the warehouse pack in plastic groups of 4 than wrapped a second time in another big huge plastic bundle. At the regular store the toilet paper is not double plastic wrapped like that. Or the multi packs of cleaning wipes that are wrapped together in plastic. Various other examples, some in boxes instead of plastic.
As far as ordering from Amazon goes, I have a black trash bag about 50% full of plastic air pillows that I have broken down from Amazon and other mail order boxes that are made of the same thin plastic film as single use plastic bags that I will take to a plastic bag recycling bin at one of the grocery stores as soon as it fills up. So that doesn't really solve anything environmentally since you sometimes get a ton of thin plastic film from them in the boxes of items too (or for other items, they ship in a plastic envelope that is like a super thick plastic bag which does not show any indication of recycling ability). And unless you are re-shipping items out, you have zero use for those plastic film air pillows. At least the bags can be re-used (bags with holes can still be re-used for dry trash such as home office or similar, or laid flat and used to dispose of meat packaging).
