Tribal owned gas stations discontinuing branded fuel

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Re: Tribal owned gas stations discontinuing branded fuel

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jamcool wrote: June 18th, 2023, 2:16 pm They advertise it in the weekly S/A ads…and every small town in AZ that has a Safeway has at least 1 Chevron station.
IMHO it is harder to get the Fry’s rewards points at Shell and Circle K, you have to have the physical card and the pump doesn’t always accept it. All you have to do at Chevron is enter the phone number tied to your Safeway club card.
Shell definitely takes phone number entry at the pump as I've redeemed the Kroger fuel rewards with Shell before. If you don't have the phone number I think you have to actually type your Kroger loyalty card number into the pump (I don't think it can swipe, I'll have to try that and see).

The Circle K/Frys arrangement is in AZ only. I do recall redeeming Kroger there once years ago and paid inside (probably did that on purpose and didn't even try to pay at the pump) and had them scan my card and the discount never reflected on the pump and they told me to "come back tomorrow for a refund." Yeah no, the reward is still on my card I can just use it another time somewhere else. As far as this being AZ only I have always found that odd because in Las Vegas there are many corporate operated Circle Ks that are in the Arizona region for Circle K and it is unclear why they do not accept Kroger fuel rewards there. Also in Denver there are many Circle Ks now and while a different region for Circle K they use the same register system as AZ uses so no reason why they can't do Kroger.

The hardest place to redeem Kroger fuel rewards is EG Group convenience stores. Many have new Gilbarco pumps- those do not process Kroger loyalty at the pump. The ones with Wayne pumps (installed when Kroger owned them) still take Kroger loyalty at the pump. Multiple of the Gilbarco Quik Stop sites in my area refuse to scan the Kroger card when you go in, saying the system is down. However even if the system is down it does give you a .03 off, you just can't do an actual redemption.
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Re: Tribal owned gas stations discontinuing branded fuel

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Ralphs & Shell

Pavilions & Chevron

TOTAL jokes and EXPENSIVE!

The discount does not glean any savings. There are quite a few companies here that sell Tier 1 gasoline at substantially lower prices than the two above with their worthless discount.
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Re: Tribal owned gas stations discontinuing branded fuel

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The Washoe Tribe outside of Carson City, NV owns two Chevron stations, and just remodeled the one on Mica Dr. to the newest Chevron branding.

The Pyramid Lake tribe dropped 76 a long time ago and went independent, while the tribes in Susanville and Alturas/Burney never had branding on their stations. The tribe near Yreka, CA is the same way - their station was 50 cents less than everyone else last year, but you had to drive well out of your way to get there.
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bryceleinan wrote: June 19th, 2023, 9:17 pm The Washoe Tribe outside of Carson City, NV owns two Chevron stations, and just remodeled the one on Mica Dr. to the newest Chevron branding.

The Pyramid Lake tribe dropped 76 a long time ago and went independent, while the tribes in Susanville and Alturas/Burney never had branding on their stations. The tribe near Yreka, CA is the same way - their station was 50 cents less than everyone else last year, but you had to drive well out of your way to get there.
Also Elko Tribe has had a Sinclair for years, and Battle Mountain Tribe has had a Shell for many years.

I think Pyramid Lake Tribe may have lost 76 back when 76 pulled out of the region (before it decided to return). But they never did seek another brand...
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storewanderer wrote: June 18th, 2023, 11:24 am
jamcool wrote: June 18th, 2023, 10:50 am
Plus the Chevron partnership with Safeway/Albertsons loyalty points.
Is that partnership doing anything in AZ to draw people to Chevron stations? It gets pretty heavy use in NorCal (due to the dominance of Chevron there and dominance of Safeway- customers were already using both so I'm not sure how much habits changed, more the partnership just fit in with the existing customer habits so well). It is a joke in NV/ID/UT- very low use. OR it is difficult to redeem rewards in the first place as phone number entry is sloppy (bar code scanner is a lot better but that isn't how the Safeway/Chevron partnership works).

There is no gas partner for Safeway in CO and back in DC/MD they partnered with ExxonMobil.

The station does have to fund a few cents of that Safeway discount so some stations may not like the program. I think Chevron has forced all stations to participate in the program at this point, but getting all to participate here in NV took quite a while. There are still some Shell sites that do not participate in Kroger because they don't want to fund the 2-3 cents of that discount they are required to fund.
I've never used Safeway fuel points at a Chevron station in AZ because Chevron in AZ tends to have fuel prices 10 to 50 cents a gallon higher than other fuel stations (and has a higher credit versus debit/cash price).

When I have used Safeway fuel points is at the handful of Safeway fuel stations that exist.

Circle K does allow you to enter your phone number as an Alternate ID (at the pump) and I regularly use Circle K for Fry's fuel points. They also tend to have the cheapest gas prices around so the partnership with Fry's does generate good fuel savings.
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arizonaguy wrote: June 19th, 2023, 10:47 pm
storewanderer wrote: June 18th, 2023, 11:24 am
jamcool wrote: June 18th, 2023, 10:50 am
Plus the Chevron partnership with Safeway/Albertsons loyalty points.
Is that partnership doing anything in AZ to draw people to Chevron stations? It gets pretty heavy use in NorCal (due to the dominance of Chevron there and dominance of Safeway- customers were already using both so I'm not sure how much habits changed, more the partnership just fit in with the existing customer habits so well). It is a joke in NV/ID/UT- very low use. OR it is difficult to redeem rewards in the first place as phone number entry is sloppy (bar code scanner is a lot better but that isn't how the Safeway/Chevron partnership works).

There is no gas partner for Safeway in CO and back in DC/MD they partnered with ExxonMobil.

The station does have to fund a few cents of that Safeway discount so some stations may not like the program. I think Chevron has forced all stations to participate in the program at this point, but getting all to participate here in NV took quite a while. There are still some Shell sites that do not participate in Kroger because they don't want to fund the 2-3 cents of that discount they are required to fund.
I've never used Safeway fuel points at a Chevron station in AZ because Chevron in AZ tends to have fuel prices 10 to 50 cents a gallon higher than other fuel stations (and has a higher credit versus debit/cash price).

When I have used Safeway fuel points is at the handful of Safeway fuel stations that exist.

Circle K does allow you to enter your phone number as an Alternate ID (at the pump) and I regularly use Circle K for Fry's fuel points. They also tend to have the cheapest gas prices around so the partnership with Fry's does generate good fuel savings.
I think if you can obtain a Chevron gift card, it will give you the cash price. I'm not sure if this, when I have used those, it was at Jacksons or Terrible Herbst and neither of them have a credit card surcharge occurring.

I know in the case of Shell and Arco if you use their gift card you get the cash price. I've had Shell sites that knock an additional .05 off for using the Shell Gift Card randomly and it wasn't advertised (those were in SoCal) but a message displayed on the receipt about it.

Chevron did a change in its preferred point of sale system during the whole EMV Chip Card thing. Chevron's preferred point of sale system was something called Wayne Nucleus. For whatever reason(s), that system provider was unable to come up with a solution to make Chip Cards work so they had to stop using it. Under that system, when you paid at the pump at Chevron, after you ran your payment card, it came up with a prompt "use Safeway Yes/No" which you had to acknowledge to proceed with fueling, and that configuration generated high use of the Safeway Rewards. This was consistent across most Chevron locations as the majority of them used those registers (a few like Jacksons used other systems- those were also the ones that were very slow to start accepting Safeway loyalty).

Chevron has since switched point of sale systems obviously since they had no choice and now using the Safeway Rewards varies by location. At some locations, you have to watch the screen as it will gravitate a greeting between "insert card " and "press yes to use Safeway" and press "yes" before you run your payment card. At some locations, there is a button on the screen to select that says "Safeway" which you have to press and enter your information before you run your payment card. At some locations there is a button on the screen for "Rewards" then you press that and there are multiple options one of which being Safeway so you select it then put your phone number in. At some locations notably all corporate operated Chevron sites, it is configured like the Wayne Nucleus where it prompts for Safeway after you run your payment card.
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Re: Tribal owned gas stations discontinuing branded fuel

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I am not sure how it works with gift cards, but when Chevron has separate pricing for cash and credit, Chevron cards are given the cash price. There are a handful of Chevron stations that do not have separate pricing.

Things are going to get more interesting. Several news reports now say that Washington's average fuel price is now highest in the nation, even topping California. I have watched as a station I pass daily has shot up from $4.99, to $5.09, to $5.19 for regular, all in the last four days. If the Tribal operators can buy it for less, it might draw more customers, but at the same time, could alienate those who use a card issued by Chevron, Shell, etc.
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Re: Tribal owned gas stations discontinuing branded fuel

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veteran+ wrote: June 18th, 2023, 9:24 am
babs wrote: June 17th, 2023, 9:18 pm If you are shopping for the lowest gas price at a casino, grocery store, or warehouse club, does branding matter at all?
How about if the shoppers' criteria is what Tier of gas it is (and secondarily, the price)?
In SoCal (except San Diego County) Costco gets their gas from Chevron. Top Tier, and Costco does the best job of any gas retailer on the West Coast of maintaining their gas pumps with clean filters. Costco has recognized that the cleanest filters mean fastest fueling (to the legal limit of 10 gal/minute) and they're fanatical about maintaining the flow rates as it's like printing their own money. Long lines do discourage some shoppers to fill up elsewhere so they require their stations to test each pump multiple times per day for a minimum speed of 8 gal/minute and if the pump drops below that they must get a technician out to service the pump and filters immediately. If corporate sees an underperforming pump and the Manager hasn't already called for repair they are formally reprimanded.

During an unusual event a couple years ago Chevron changed their additives and as a result Costco was changing filters every 3 days. Their technicians said some stations they visit elsewhere get filter changes maybe 3 times a year. Many of the chains we don't have on the West Coast, like QuikTrip, RaceTrac and Wawa also perform similar quality of pump filter maintenance. Company owned stations probably do better than franchises; Chevron still seems to own more of their own stations than other brands here (the door will say something to the effect of Chevron Stations Inc. #1234, San Ramon, CA)

So even if it's Top Tier gas the product is ruined by poor station maintenance. That's why I only get gas at Costco unless I'm absolutely desperate (late night or holiday closure) then I'll go to a well maintained Chevron.

Reason I mentioned San Diego:
San Diego County is a pipeline market where everyone is buying the same product from a central fuel terminal. They probably add proprietary additives if the brand requires it, otherwise everyone's selling the same gas. This is why when the pipeline went down about 3 months ago there were stations under every banner that ran out of gas.
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ClownLoach wrote: June 20th, 2023, 7:57 pm

In SoCal (except San Diego County) Costco gets their gas from Chevron. Top Tier, and Costco does the best job of any gas retailer on the West Coast of maintaining their gas pumps with clean filters. Costco has recognized that the cleanest filters mean fastest fueling (to the legal limit of 10 gal/minute) and they're fanatical about maintaining the flow rates as it's like printing their own money. Long lines do discourage some shoppers to fill up elsewhere so they require their stations to test each pump multiple times per day for a minimum speed of 8 gal/minute and if the pump drops below that they must get a technician out to service the pump and filters immediately. If corporate sees an underperforming pump and the Manager hasn't already called for repair they are formally reprimanded.

During an unusual event a couple years ago Chevron changed their additives and as a result Costco was changing filters every 3 days. Their technicians said some stations they visit elsewhere get filter changes maybe 3 times a year. Many of the chains we don't have on the West Coast, like QuikTrip, RaceTrac and Wawa also perform similar quality of pump filter maintenance. Company owned stations probably do better than franchises; Chevron still seems to own more of their own stations than other brands here (the door will say something to the effect of Chevron Stations Inc. #1234, San Ramon, CA)

So even if it's Top Tier gas the product is ruined by poor station maintenance. That's why I only get gas at Costco unless I'm absolutely desperate (late night or holiday closure) then I'll go to a well maintained Chevron.

Reason I mentioned San Diego:
San Diego County is a pipeline market where everyone is buying the same product from a central fuel terminal. They probably add proprietary additives if the brand requires it, otherwise everyone's selling the same gas. This is why when the pipeline went down about 3 months ago there were stations under every banner that ran out of gas.
Chevron still has a large base of corporate operated stations in CA, and also a few around Portland/Seattle.

Sam's Club sure doesn't run its gas business the way Costco does... they need to work on that...

There are a few corporate Arcos in NorCal now (BP).

The others like Shell, Valero, Marathon Arco, have no corporate sites in CA. "Speedway" units are corporate but "Speedway Express" are not. At "Speedway Express" and many 7-Eleven units the corporation is completely in charge of the fuel operation and the franchisee is only in charge of the store, so pump maintenance is a corporate thing.

Reno has the same pipeline thing you describe; it is attached to a Chevron bay area refinery via pipeline owned by a different party.
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Is it really worth it to pay more at Costco because they change their filters more often?Unbranded gas at these tribal stations really can't damage your engine that much. Right?
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