Biden Administration Sides With Pork Industry to Invalidate Parts of Prop 12 at Scotus

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Re: Biden Administration Sides With Pork Industry to Invalidate Parts of Prop 12 at Scotus

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veteran+ wrote: June 19th, 2022, 8:27 am I applaud your defense of the consumer!!!

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I just wish human beings would take a baby step and stop eating such an intelligent protein like the Pig. If we could give up just one animal protein, it could not only be humane but also help the environment.
The US is a melting pot of people and cultures. Pork is a very important food source for many cultures. Pork is heavily used in Mexican Food, Asian Food, and traditional American Breakfast Food, among other foods. While some cultures eat no pork and will be fine with this type of rule, it is a very important protein source to many cultures.

Substitutes/replacements for pork in the traditional American Breakfast Food are being attempted (plant based, more turkey blend in the meats) however I do not see these items selling very well; I often see them marked down and not even selling on markdown.

Where I am going here is it is going to be impossible to get rid of pork consumption in the US with a few waives of a magic wand over a short period, unless you physically take the pork and say it can no longer be sold. There are tactics that can be tried, for instance, not serving any pork product in school lunches, to try to get kids not used to pork (similar to what has been done with soda) but it is questionable how well that would work. Perhaps prohibit purchases of pork with food stamps. I don't know. Getting rid of pork consumption will take a generation or two to happen and would have to be done slowly, so slowly nobody would notice what was going on.

Some states (as we see CA doing) may try to regulate pork. The irony being that regulation and the associated price hike or pork shortage hurts a significant portion of the population in the state who uses pork in their cuisine. Personally I believe the pork rule should go into effect in CA as it was voted by voters as HCal has said, because, the voters supposedly voted for it. At this point, where things are at, people will either put up with the rules or leave the state. Eventually things will be pushed too far and people will revolt against these types of rules. But by the time that happens, the supply chain will already be torn apart (pork producers leaving CA) and the problem will be very difficult and costly to repair. At this point the politicians pushing these types of thing are on thin ice because people are starting to connect the dots that it is causing a ton of inflation and now they are scared. If this case had been heard at Federal level 2 years ago, they would have thrown it out and the CA law would have been validated.

Ideas like this can work in smaller countries with small population groups who are easy to all get on the same page. It could probably work in a small US state like a VT, RI, or something too. But in a state as large and diverse as CA, this type of thing, is not practical. The progressive groups have taken an opposite approach trying to force their causes through large CA first then hoping small states and even other countries will follow since CA is so large. This seemed to be working, until it didn't (when people can no longer afford this stuff).
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veteran+ wrote: June 19th, 2022, 8:27 am If we could give up just one animal protein, it could not only be humane but also help the environment.
In that case beef would be the better choice. This is because they produce substantial amounts of methane when they digest their food. And their population is growing quickly around the world. Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas that traps approximately 30 times more heat than carbon dioxide. It also accounts for about 20% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
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klkla wrote: June 21st, 2022, 10:08 pm
veteran+ wrote: June 19th, 2022, 8:27 am If we could give up just one animal protein, it could not only be humane but also help the environment.
In that case beef would be the better choice. This is because they produce substantial amounts of methane when they digest their food. And their population is growing quickly around the world. Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas that traps approximately 30 times more heat than carbon dioxide. It also accounts for about 20% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
I have noticed recently NorCal Safeway and Raleys have both expanded the amount of space in their meat cases that houses pork. This is supposedly because pork is so much cheaper than beef, pork sales are reportedly increasing significantly.

These stores are putting less beef out than in the past because with the very high pricing the shrink is a major expense.

Not going to go into a discussion on regulating beef or regulating pork but as HCal said the CA voters passed this thing to regulate pork so it should go into effect. If the voters don't like the results they should overturn it.
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The truth is anything you eat-meat, fruit, vegetable or grain-affects the environment in some measure, such as water and land use.
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jamcool wrote: June 21st, 2022, 11:13 pm The truth is anything you eat-meat, fruit, vegetable or grain-affects the environment in some measure, such as water and land use.
That information wasn't exactly disclosed in what the people voted to approve, the focus is only on what pork does. Even if something else is 10x worse this is to regulate pork and they won't tell you something else is 10x worse.
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klkla wrote: June 21st, 2022, 10:08 pm
veteran+ wrote: June 19th, 2022, 8:27 am If we could give up just one animal protein, it could not only be humane but also help the environment.
In that case beef would be the better choice. This is because they produce substantial amounts of methane when they digest their food. And their population is growing quickly around the world. Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas that traps approximately 30 times more heat than carbon dioxide. It also accounts for about 20% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
Yes, of course 😊

My concern was first, the level of intelligence that is often compared to dogs and dolphins.

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Nevada was supposed to start an egg law in July that didn't require Cage Free eggs but did require some sort of minimum standards for the chicken density wherever the eggs came from. But so far the only retailers I am seeing comply with it are Save Mart, Grocery Outlet, and Raleys who have been all cage free eggs since January 1 as they do not want to bother to slot eggs at a CA warehouse just for their NV Stores that are not Cage Free.

Wal Mart was complying last week and reset their egg area to have only Cage Free eggs, but this week Wal Mart is back to standard eggs again. Only 2.16 for dozen large eggs at a couple Wal Marts that are near a WinCo (also 2.16 there- limit 2). New eggs are coming in as I bought some yesterday with an expiration date in mid August.

The other grocers are not complying with this new Nevada egg law.

Did something with this CA pork law being overturned impact other similar laws?
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The law only applies to farmers with 3,000 or more hens. As long as the farmer says they have less than 3,000 chickens then they can enclose egg laying hens in enclosures less than 1 square feet.

The cage free requirement does not take effect until 2024.

There is no way to enforce this law unless you go to each farm and count the chickens. This is really difficult to even enforce.
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Alpha8472 wrote: July 10th, 2022, 4:52 pm The law only applies to farmers with 3,000 or more hens. As long as the farmer says they have less than 3,000 chickens then they can enclose egg laying hens in enclosures less than 1 square feet.

The cage free requirement does not take effect until 2024.

There is no way to enforce this law unless you go to each farm and count the chickens. This is really difficult to even enforce.
It has been interesting as some manufacturers have taken the approach since there is no way to enforce the law, you just need to sell cage free eggs. Others seem to be taking the opposite approach. I suppose it is possible the eggs at these places are coming from farms with fewer than 3,000 chickens. Nevada is quite lean on the government side so unlikely they have people who will go to out of state chicken farms (since all of these eggs sold here come from out of state) and count chickens.
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