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arizonaguy wrote: October 9th, 2022, 8:29 am In the Phoenix, AZ area they're still opening up new stores.

One opened last week: https://ktar.com/story/5222337/frys-to- ... ext-month/

One opened in January: https://ktar.com/story/4811453/frys-foo ... wednesday/

There are also plans for 2 more stores:

Asante Marketplace: Barclay group is developing another grocery-anchored neighborhood center in the Asante master-planned community at the northwest corner of Pat Tillman Boulevard and 163rd Avenue. The 20-acre site will comprise a 167,205-square-foot neighborhood retail center anchored by Fry's in Surprise.

Vistancia Point: In Peoria, Barclay Group plans to build another Fry's-anchored retail center at the southeast corner of El Mirage Road and Lone Mountain Parkway. A brochure for the property shows that Fry's, which purchased 13 acres on the site this year, will occupy a 123,722-square-foot space. About six additional retail buildings totaling approximately 33,300 square feet also are proposed.

Source: https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/new ... eoria.html

What's also interesting is that post-merger Albertsons/Safeway is also opening up new stores in the Phoenix area.
Kroger seems to want to maintain leadership positions in some of these rapidly growing markets like Phoenix and to a lesser extent Denver, Salt Lake City, and Las Vegas, so they build new stores.

Yet some other very promising fast growing markets for them, and they won't build anything. But they do keep investing in remodels on an ongoing basis... I do wonder what exactly their long term plan is for the direct west coast (CA/OR/WA). Kind of feels like a run what we have, remodel it sometimes, but that is about it sort of strategy. Problem is those states still have some growing areas and in a lot of cases Kroger is absent from the newest sections of those growing areas while other chains are present. Their indifference is helping keep some poor competitors viable. Kroger is lucky in the case of OR/WA that Fred Meyer has not had many stores in declining areas so there have been very, very few store closures out of Fred Meyer and the chain has been able to continue to grow/maintain market share with almost no new store growth in the past decade. QFCs were such small low volume operations to begin with even with closures that hasn't resulted in much of a marketshare loss or growth at Fred Meyer has easily made up for the QFC losses and then some. But Ralphs on the other hand, did a lot of good builds in the 90's and even into the 00's in good areas then just stopped after the strike and they have really missed out, meanwhile they have closed many stores and obviously are losing marketshare.

At the end of the day- Kroger's best way to catch up with the growth in SoCal. Buy Stater.
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It might be better for Kroger to buy one of the Latino-oriented chains like Northgate/Cardenas.
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jamcool wrote: October 9th, 2022, 3:25 pm It might be better for Kroger to buy one of the Latino-oriented chains like Northgate/Cardenas.
I'm just not sure Kroger is willing to make the investment in fresh departments necessary to be successful with that format.

Fry's under Jon Flora was with that Fry's Mercado but Kroger upper management didn't seem too impressed and we see that didn't grow beyond one store (Fry's had big plans for that format, but Kroger people from Ohio threw cold water on that idea on their first store walk).
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jamcool wrote: October 9th, 2022, 3:25 pm It might be better for Kroger to buy one of the Latino-oriented chains like Northgate/Cardenas.
They would do a horrible job with a hispanic format.

And that is saying a lot since most hispanic formats (IMO) are not up to my standards.
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storewanderer wrote: October 9th, 2022, 12:59 pm
arizonaguy wrote: October 9th, 2022, 8:29 am In the Phoenix, AZ area they're still opening up new stores.

One opened last week: https://ktar.com/story/5222337/frys-to- ... ext-month/

One opened in January: https://ktar.com/story/4811453/frys-foo ... wednesday/

There are also plans for 2 more stores:

Asante Marketplace: Barclay group is developing another grocery-anchored neighborhood center in the Asante master-planned community at the northwest corner of Pat Tillman Boulevard and 163rd Avenue. The 20-acre site will comprise a 167,205-square-foot neighborhood retail center anchored by Fry's in Surprise.

Vistancia Point: In Peoria, Barclay Group plans to build another Fry's-anchored retail center at the southeast corner of El Mirage Road and Lone Mountain Parkway. A brochure for the property shows that Fry's, which purchased 13 acres on the site this year, will occupy a 123,722-square-foot space. About six additional retail buildings totaling approximately 33,300 square feet also are proposed.

Source: https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/new ... eoria.html

What's also interesting is that post-merger Albertsons/Safeway is also opening up new stores in the Phoenix area.
Kroger seems to want to maintain leadership positions in some of these rapidly growing markets like Phoenix and to a lesser extent Denver, Salt Lake City, and Las Vegas, so they build new stores.

Yet some other very promising fast growing markets for them, and they won't build anything. But they do keep investing in remodels on an ongoing basis... I do wonder what exactly their long term plan is for the direct west coast (CA/OR/WA). Kind of feels like a run what we have, remodel it sometimes, but that is about it sort of strategy. Problem is those states still have some growing areas and in a lot of cases Kroger is absent from the newest sections of those growing areas while other chains are present. Their indifference is helping keep some poor competitors viable. Kroger is lucky in the case of OR/WA that Fred Meyer has not had many stores in declining areas so there have been very, very few store closures out of Fred Meyer and the chain has been able to continue to grow/maintain market share with almost no new store growth in the past decade. QFCs were such small low volume operations to begin with even with closures that hasn't resulted in much of a marketshare loss or growth at Fred Meyer has easily made up for the QFC losses and then some. But Ralphs on the other hand, did a lot of good builds in the 90's and even into the 00's in good areas then just stopped after the strike and they have really missed out, meanwhile they have closed many stores and obviously are losing marketshare.

At the end of the day- Kroger's best way to catch up with the growth in SoCal. Buy Stater.

Their "indifference" is in full bloom in the Los Angeles area!

It manifests in the conditions of most of their stores and in their employees and management. Not a pretty picture painted in Yelp and Google.
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arizonaguy wrote: October 9th, 2022, 8:29 am In the Phoenix, AZ area they're still opening up new stores.

One opened last week: https://ktar.com/story/5222337/frys-to- ... ext-month/

One opened in January: https://ktar.com/story/4811453/frys-foo ... wednesday/

There are also plans for 2 more stores:

Asante Marketplace: Barclay group is developing another grocery-anchored neighborhood center in the Asante master-planned community at the northwest corner of Pat Tillman Boulevard and 163rd Avenue. The 20-acre site will comprise a 167,205-square-foot neighborhood retail center anchored by Fry's in Surprise.

Vistancia Point: In Peoria, Barclay Group plans to build another Fry's-anchored retail center at the southeast corner of El Mirage Road and Lone Mountain Parkway. A brochure for the property shows that Fry's, which purchased 13 acres on the site this year, will occupy a 123,722-square-foot space. About six additional retail buildings totaling approximately 33,300 square feet also are proposed.

Source: https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/new ... eoria.html

What's also interesting is that post-merger Albertsons/Safeway is also opening up new stores in the Phoenix area.
Well, that is one exception, Smith's has opened a store recently too. But it is quite slow out east at Dillons and Kroger. In the past decade or so Kroger was still opening stores at a decent pace, though it has been slowing down and we're seeing more closings than openings now, as well as those new Ocado warehouses. Plus Kroger has not participated much in their ancilliary markets and has withdrawn many divisions over the years.
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veteran+ wrote: October 10th, 2022, 6:18 am


Their "indifference" is in full bloom in the Los Angeles area!

It manifests in the conditions of most of their stores and in their employees and management. Not a pretty picture painted in Yelp and Google.
Vons strikes me as similarly broken in SoCal, though I did have a few interactions in Pavilions units that were positive either in service departments or in one case with help on self checkout due to my entering the wrong PLU for produce. Albertsons seems indifferent at best. Even in some of the Ralphs that looked nice, I noticed that "attitude" you are describing on the part of various employees. Not the same Ralphs that was doing business in NorCal, that is for sure. That attitude is not present in other Kroger regions either.

If you want to see a well oiled machine with hard working employees and a lot of positive service interactions, Stater is the place to go. I don't know how they do it.
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The Pavilions in my area is well run (except the Pharmacy............bad attitude). It is the nicest supermarket in the area (better than nearby Whold Foods stores).

NO Stater Bros anywhere.
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