Costco Raises Food Court Prices

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veteran+ wrote: July 18th, 2022, 9:35 am Many scandals around the nation about this.

Google it.

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Then it needs to be fixed... fix the recycling. Force the recycling. Regulate the recycling, not the products.
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storewanderer wrote: July 18th, 2022, 10:53 pm Then it needs to be fixed... fix the recycling. Force the recycling. Regulate the recycling, not the products.
You can't "force" something that is inherently unviable. Recycling, for many products, is little more than greenwashing. If people can put something into a green recycle bin, they will continue to buy it, without questioning what happens to it afterwards. The only way to actually address the underlying environmental issues is to regulate the product itself.
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The manager of a recycling plant told people at a city council meeting that only plastic bottles and milk jugs are being recycled. China shut its door to plastic recycling from other countries 2 years ago. People at the city council meeting didn't want to hear that she was burying the plastic containers. Some insisted that she was lying.

Big Oil has brainwashed people into thinking that all plastic is recyclable. Most plastic is made from oil and Big Oil makes a huge amount of money on plastic. If people started refusing plastic products or switched back to glass, Big Oil would stand to lose billions of dollars. Link to written article:



We need to help people realize that plastic is being buried in landfills and we need to encourage alternatives. Ultimately, plastic particles are contaminating our food and getting into our bodies. Plastic particles are found in fish and other food. This is coming back to haunt us. Micro-plastics are found in humans and it is causing all sorts of health problems. Many health conditions were very rare until plastics started showing up everywhere. Plastics contain endocrine disruptors. These are linked to autism. The rate of autism has exploded ever since plastic replaced glass in many food containers.

Plastics #3 to #7 used to be sent to China where it was burned for fuel.
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2020/ ... g-america/

Plastic may seem more convenient but ultimately perhaps Costco and other food places need to switch back to traditional materials such as paper cups that are not leaving micro-plastics that go into the food chain. Maybe they could go back to paper straws coated with wax. Those were used in the past.
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Alpha8472 wrote: July 19th, 2022, 5:12 am The manager of a recycling plant told people at a city council meeting that only plastic bottles and milk jugs are being recycled. China shut its door to plastic recycling from other countries 2 years ago. People at the city council meeting didn't want to hear that she was burying the plastic containers. Some insisted that she was lying.
Then there is a very simple solution - do whatever was being done with these items in China RIGHT HERE IN THE USA!!!

Seems highly unlikely that China has some secret technology that the US doesn't know about - so if they could do it over there, it could be done here as well.
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It takes many toxic chemicals to make paper, and the “wax” is made from petroleum. As for returnables, it takes a lot of energy to sanitize glass bottles for reuse, not to mention the chemicals used for disinfection.
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Alpha8472 wrote: July 19th, 2022, 5:12 am

We need to help people realize that plastic is being buried in landfills and we need to encourage alternatives. Ultimately, plastic particles are contaminating our food and getting into our bodies. Plastic particles are found in fish and other food. This is coming back to haunt us. Micro-plastics are found in humans and it is causing all sorts of health problems. Many health conditions were very rare until plastics started showing up everywhere. Plastics contain endocrine disruptors. These are linked to autism. The rate of autism has exploded ever since plastic replaced glass in many food containers.

Plastics #3 to #7 used to be sent to China where it was burned for fuel.
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2020/ ... g-america/

Plastic may seem more convenient but ultimately perhaps Costco and other food places need to switch back to traditional materials such as paper cups that are not leaving micro-plastics that go into the food chain. Maybe they could go back to paper straws coated with wax. Those were used in the past.
But the problem is everything done to regulate and restrict plastic is causing more plastic to be used. Regulate the thin plastic bag, but allow bags 6 times thicker... regulate the plastic straw, but not the plastic cup so places give you a paper or some other material straw but give you a plastic cup (who used to give you a paper cup).

So the solution is to force the recycling to actually take place. As was suggested in the post above- figure out what China was doing with all of that plastic they used to take, and do it here. And let industry figure it out. Regulate how much plastic is allowed in the waste stream and how much must be recycled. Force the companies who make it to deal with the problem if it is such a problem (I think it is being overblown how much of a problem it really is), like they did with the tobacco companies.

If industry can't figure out how to recycle it, then they can't produce it. I suspect they would figure out how to recycle it in short order.

All the plastic regulations have done is INCREASE plastic use, INCREASE overall waste, INCREASE profits for the plastic companies, INCREASE profits for other little companies who make the "allowable" alternate products and price gouge for it and actively participate in anti plastics legislation to build their alternate product businesses, and most importantly INCREASE costs to the consumer. These regulations have also hurt US jobs as many of the "replacement" products tend to be imported. But if you force the recycling and make it take place here you will retain the jobs producing plastic products here plus create more jobs here for the new industries that pop up from the recycling. Seems like a win win to me.

And that is the biggest problem I see is this is a legislated as a waste reduction move but all that is being done, at best, is you shift the waste type around. Instead of a little plastic shampoo bottle in a hotel now it is a little foil thing like a fast food ketchup. No more little plastic straws, but a ton more big huge plastic cups. No more thin plastic bags, but super thick ones replace them. No plastic utensils, new "compostable" ones that look suspiciously like plastic.

This is turning into yet another topic that is just costing the public at large more money, lining corporate pockets further, and wasting everyone's time because it is being over-regulated and the regulations are a total and complete failure at accomplishing what they claim to want to accomplish.
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Alpha8472 wrote: July 19th, 2022, 5:12 am The manager of a recycling plant told people at a city council meeting that only plastic bottles and milk jugs are being recycled. China shut its door to plastic recycling from other countries 2 years ago. People at the city council meeting didn't want to hear that she was burying the plastic containers. Some insisted that she was lying.

Big Oil has brainwashed people into thinking that all plastic is recyclable. Most plastic is made from oil and Big Oil makes a huge amount of money on plastic. If people started refusing plastic products or switched back to glass, Big Oil would stand to lose billions of dollars. Link to written article:



We need to help people realize that plastic is being buried in landfills and we need to encourage alternatives. Ultimately, plastic particles are contaminating our food and getting into our bodies. Plastic particles are found in fish and other food. This is coming back to haunt us. Micro-plastics are found in humans and it is causing all sorts of health problems. Many health conditions were very rare until plastics started showing up everywhere. Plastics contain endocrine disruptors. These are linked to autism. The rate of autism has exploded ever since plastic replaced glass in many food containers.

Plastics #3 to #7 used to be sent to China where it was burned for fuel.
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2020/ ... g-america/

Plastic may seem more convenient but ultimately perhaps Costco and other food places need to switch back to traditional materials such as paper cups that are not leaving micro-plastics that go into the food chain. Maybe they could go back to paper straws coated with wax. Those were used in the past.

EXACTLY!

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This is all about profit instead of the environment.

If doing the right thing for the environment cannot be monetized satisfactorily (PROFIT) for all parties involved it will NOT be done.

The incompetant legislation that comes out is a feeble attempt to do the "right" thing that ends up being monetized, even if it does not work.
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BillyGr wrote: July 19th, 2022, 11:39 am Then there is a very simple solution - do whatever was being done with these items in China RIGHT HERE IN THE USA!!!

Seems highly unlikely that China has some secret technology that the US doesn't know about - so if they could do it over there, it could be done here as well.
China does have a secret technology: people willing to work for $3 an hour. Unless we have that in the US, it's probably not going to work here.

Either the taxpayers would have to pay for massive recycling plants, or it would be passed on to consumers and plastic would become unaffordable.

Recycling plastic is not feasible. We need to understand that and stop throwing money at it.
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I remember when employees asked if you brought bottles. Glass bottles were washed and reused. Washing was more cost effective than melting it down and making new bottles.
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