Obsessed with consumption

[storewanderer]

How about this Windows 10 support ending thing, and the forced obsolescene of various old computers that Microsoft tells you "can't support Windows 11... (yet if you force the upgrade through yourself, it seems to work fine)...

Think of all the junk that will create.

Microsoft is graciously giving schools and governments 3 extra years of Windows 10 support free after 10/2025, and consumers can pay them $30 for 1 extra year of Windows 10 support starting 10/2025...

Or people can just keep using them as they still work exactly the same with or without "support".

I am literally typing this post on a computer running Windows 7, which Microsoft stopped "supporting" in 2020.

It works just fine.

I miss Windows 7...

Windows 11 is problematic. I do not like it. Too many attempts to synch things (even worse than Windows 10 on that), push Teams... where it gets really bad is on "work" computers. I do not advise people to mix personal Microsoft logins onto "work" machines but the way Microsoft presents things they make it seem like it is mandatory to do so. Way off topic so I'll stop.

[wnetmacman]

I am literally typing this post on a computer running Windows 7, which Microsoft stopped "supporting" in 2020.

It works just fine.

Until the hackers find your PC without the critical updates that you would be getting through Windows 11 or 10 if you'd upgrade. Current AV progams will not even run on Windows 7 as they stopped support.

I'll stay suffering from LAGS (Latest and Greatest Syndrome) and run Windows 11 fully patched. I'd really suggest that you do as well.

[BillyGr]

I am literally typing this post on a computer running Windows 7, which Microsoft stopped "supporting" in 2020.

It works just fine.

Until the hackers find your PC without the critical updates that you would be getting through Windows 11 or 10 if you'd upgrade. Current AV progams will not even run on Windows 7 as they stopped support.

I'll stay suffering from LAGS (Latest and Greatest Syndrome) and run Windows 11 fully patched. I'd really suggest that you do as well.

But they wouldn't (likely) even be LOOKING for that, since why take the time to come up with something that might work on one machine here or there rather than something that works on what 90% or more of people use?

[storewanderer]

I am literally typing this post on a computer running Windows 7, which Microsoft stopped "supporting" in 2020.

It works just fine.

Until the hackers find your PC without the critical updates that you would be getting through Windows 11 or 10 if you'd upgrade. Current AV progams will not even run on Windows 7 as they stopped support.

I'll stay suffering from LAGS (Latest and Greatest Syndrome) and run Windows 11 fully patched. I'd really suggest that you do as well.

I remember when I left Windows 7 and that was why- but there are still programs out there that I think will work with it.

I see POS systems at some stores with Windows XP.

[wnetmacman]

I remember when I left Windows 7 and that was why- but there are still programs out there that I think will work with it.

I see POS systems at some stores with Windows XP.

Let me put on my IT hat here...

There are no mainstream AV programs that work with anything older than Windows 10 for now. That is part of the planned obsolescence. An AV program may advertise that it works, but I would not trust anything on an unsupported OS.

In the stores still running XP for the POS, the credit card reader is separate from the PC and does not hand the CHD (Cardholder Data, for those who do not know) to the POS, only whether it was approved or not, and the approval number. XP machines cannot hold CHD.

Support for these older computers and operating systems is a thorn in most retailers' sides, as they do not want to invest more money every time something better comes out. I went in a Walmart UPC office (their server room too) a few years back (around 2018) that still had a server running Windows 2000 - by that time a 19 year old operating system, and long obsolete. Do you want to pay more at Walmart? That's why they do not upgrade - they will run it into the ground before they will replace it.

[storewanderer]

I remember when I left Windows 7 and that was why- but there are still programs out there that I think will work with it.

I see POS systems at some stores with Windows XP.

Let me put on my IT hat here...

There are no mainstream AV programs that work with anything older than Windows 10 for now. That is part of the planned obsolescence. An AV program may advertise that it works, but I would not trust anything on an unsupported OS.

In the stores still running XP for the POS, the credit card reader is separate from the PC and does not hand the CHD (Cardholder Data, for those who do not know) to the POS, only whether it was approved or not, and the approval number. XP machines cannot hold CHD.

Support for these older computers and operating systems is a thorn in most retailers' sides, as they do not want to invest more money every time something better comes out. I went in a Walmart UPC office (their server room too) a few years back (around 2018) that still had a server running Windows 2000 - by that time a 19 year old operating system, and long obsolete. Do you want to pay more at Walmart? That's why they do not upgrade - they will run it into the ground before they will replace it.

This is the important part of the forced upgrade. There are AVs that say they support older versions... but... do they? And is there really a market/motivation for an AV supporting older versions (which have a shrinking customer base over time) for that AV to ensure it is "cutting edge?"

As much as I don't care for the updates they are what they are and I've learned to just go with them and figure out how to use the new OS. Every new OS "looks more colorful and active" and though they are supposed to be "more intuitive" I am not sure they are.

[jamcool]

I remember when I left Windows 7 and that was why- but there are still programs out there that I think will work with it.

I see POS systems at some stores with Windows XP.

Let me put on my IT hat here...

There are no mainstream AV programs that work with anything older than Windows 10 for now. That is part of the planned obsolescence. An AV program may advertise that it works, but I would not trust anything on an unsupported OS.

In the stores still running XP for the POS, the credit card reader is separate from the PC and does not hand the CHD (Cardholder Data, for those who do not know) to the POS, only whether it was approved or not, and the approval number. XP machines cannot hold CHD.

Support for these older computers and operating systems is a thorn in most retailers' sides, as they do not want to invest more money every time something better comes out. I went in a Walmart UPC office (their server room too) a few years back (around 2018) that still had a server running Windows 2000 - by that time a 19 year old operating system, and long obsolete. Do you want to pay more at Walmart? That's why they do not upgrade - they will run it into the ground before they will replace it.

It’s a wonder why the big retailers don’t go to Linux based systems.

[wnetmacman]

It’s a wonder why the big retailers don’t go to Linux based systems.

Because the software isn't there. And many of the mainstream POS endpoints are Linux-based, including the Toshiba 4900 series, which were purchased from IBM a few years back. But the BOH software still runs Windows and it produces the reports that most retailers want to see.

I know that many restaurants use Linux-based systems as well; Pizza Hut's entire operation is Linux-based.