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I never went to the Barnes & Noble in Sandy while it was open, and I believe that it closed some time in early 2023. The store was located next to the Super Target off State Street in a center that had the B&N, an Old Navy, a Buy Buy Baby and some sort of "ninja warrior" gym place, although I suspect most people went there for the Target and nothing else. Access into and out of that shopping center could also be a pain if you were coming from the north on State Street.
The former BB&B location is on the other side of the street in a center that's likely a much better fit for Barnes and Noble than the old location, with a lot more potential for cross shopping (other major tenants in the center include PetSmart, PGA Tour Superstore, Nordstrom Rack, Burlington, DSW Shoes, Tilly's, a bowling alley/FEC and quite a few different restaurants in the outbuildings along State Street.) It's also directly across from The Shops at South Town and near one of the busiest intersections in Sandy (State Street and 10600 S) so they'll likely do well in the new spot. Meanwhile, Marshall's is taking over their former space next to the Target.
The former BB&B location is on the other side of the street in a center that's likely a much better fit for Barnes and Noble than the old location, with a lot more potential for cross shopping (other major tenants in the center include PetSmart, PGA Tour Superstore, Nordstrom Rack, Burlington, DSW Shoes, Tilly's, a bowling alley/FEC and quite a few different restaurants in the outbuildings along State Street.) It's also directly across from The Shops at South Town and near one of the busiest intersections in Sandy (State Street and 10600 S) so they'll likely do well in the new spot. Meanwhile, Marshall's is taking over their former space next to the Target.
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I don't believe that these bookstores receive traditional trucks because most of the books are coming through different distributors. So as a result they get large loads of boxes daily through UPS and FedEx along with an occasional LTL pallet or two. So a big box like a Bed Bath and Beyond is probably very ideal. They can split it in half and give the side with the receiving dock to the other tenant, while keeping the half with just a ground level door to receive freight. Since they don't need the dock they are much more likely to be successful in subleasing than other retailers. This may help with this new expansion campaign they are on. I can even think of a few Barnes and Noble stores with no loading dock at all that get all their shipments through the front door.Brian Lutz wrote: ↑April 28th, 2024, 5:52 pm I never went to the Barnes & Noble in Sandy while it was open, and I believe that it closed some time in early 2023. The store was located next to the Super Target off State Street in a center that had the B&N, an Old Navy, a Buy Buy Baby and some sort of "ninja warrior" gym place, although I suspect most people went there for the Target and nothing else. Access into and out of that shopping center could also be a pain if you were coming from the north on State Street.
The former BB&B location is on the other side of the street in a center that's likely a much better fit for Barnes and Noble than the old location, with a lot more potential for cross shopping (other major tenants in the center include PetSmart, PGA Tour Superstore, Nordstrom Rack, Burlington, DSW Shoes, Tilly's, a bowling alley/FEC and quite a few different restaurants in the outbuildings along State Street.) It's also directly across from The Shops at South Town and near one of the busiest intersections in Sandy (State Street and 10600 S) so they'll likely do well in the new spot. Meanwhile, Marshall's is taking over their former space next to the Target.
Those Ninja Warrior gyms are taking over some BB&B and former TRU units in Orange County right now.
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Books have a variety of different distribution sources, while special orders may come through mail or package delivery. Small publishers usually work through specialty distributors. The distributor for some of the small presses recently closed due to the owners' retirements. Most large metro areas usually had one or two newsstand distributors who handled magazines, newspapers and various kinds of paperbacks. I would imagine that those have consolidated over time.ClownLoach wrote: ↑April 29th, 2024, 5:21 pmI don't believe that these bookstores receive traditional trucks because most of the books are coming through different distributors. So as a result they get large loads of boxes daily through UPS and FedEx along with an occasional LTL pallet or two. So a big box like a Bed Bath and Beyond is probably very ideal. They can split it in half and give the side with the receiving dock to the other tenant, while keeping the half with just a ground level door to receive freight. Since they don't need the dock they are much more likely to be successful in subleasing than other retailers. This may help with this new expansion campaign they are on. I can even think of a few Barnes and Noble stores with no loading dock at all that get all their shipments through the front door.Brian Lutz wrote: ↑April 28th, 2024, 5:52 pm I never went to the Barnes & Noble in Sandy while it was open, and I believe that it closed some time in early 2023. The store was located next to the Super Target off State Street in a center that had the B&N, an Old Navy, a Buy Buy Baby and some sort of "ninja warrior" gym place, although I suspect most people went there for the Target and nothing else. Access into and out of that shopping center could also be a pain if you were coming from the north on State Street.
The former BB&B location is on the other side of the street in a center that's likely a much better fit for Barnes and Noble than the old location, with a lot more potential for cross shopping (other major tenants in the center include PetSmart, PGA Tour Superstore, Nordstrom Rack, Burlington, DSW Shoes, Tilly's, a bowling alley/FEC and quite a few different restaurants in the outbuildings along State Street.) It's also directly across from The Shops at South Town and near one of the busiest intersections in Sandy (State Street and 10600 S) so they'll likely do well in the new spot. Meanwhile, Marshall's is taking over their former space next to the Target.
Those Ninja Warrior gyms are taking over some BB&B and former TRU units in Orange County right now.
If B&N receives anything on a pallet it would be their seasonal non-book items.
As for real estate---B&N is going back to a store they once occupied in Georgetown. They left in 2011 as they were well into closing mode and Nike held the lease until last year. Georgetown was hard hit with COVID closures and its a relatively large space, so I'm guessing they got a decent price, even though the vacancies nearby have been filling up rapidly. They have been rumored to be considering a move back to downtown Bethesda, where they lasted until 2018. That store did a good volume up until the end but was in what I would have expected to be an expensive corner location.
the cafes have always seemed inconsistent---downtown Bethesda was always busy and probably a good traffic driver (it was on the top floor). Many of the single story suburban shopping center stores never seemed very busy.
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Another factor to consider is that the Barnes & Noble stores now sell a much larger amount of non book merchandise than they used to. At the Greensboro (Friendly Center) store I've visited I'd say at least 1/3 of the store is now occupied with toys, games and other non book merchandise (for example, there are now a significant amount of LEGO sets on the shelves, as well as a significant number of jigsaw puzzles.) it's likely much of that merchandise would still be palletized in shipping.
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What does this article mean. I couldn't read it because I am too cheap to get a subscription for a newspaper for a place I don't live at. https://www.columbian.com/news/2024/may ... nes-noble/
Are they closing that store, and moving to a different location?? Or is that not what that article is at all?? I couldn't find any other information about it. Where's the new Murray, Utah store that Barnes and Noble is planning on opening this year??
Are they closing that store, and moving to a different location?? Or is that not what that article is at all?? I couldn't find any other information about it. Where's the new Murray, Utah store that Barnes and Noble is planning on opening this year??
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It took some "hacking" but Microsoft had a cached version of the story. Long story short, connected changes at the Vancouver, Wash. location to larger changes made within the Barnes & Noble company. No relocation or closure coming.FrankMoore99 wrote: ↑May 15th, 2024, 2:00 pm What does this article mean. I couldn't read it because I am too cheap to get a subscription for a newspaper for a place I don't live at. https://www.columbian.com/news/2024/may ... nes-noble/
Are they closing that store, and moving to a different location?? Or is that not what that article is at all?? I couldn't find any other information about it. Where's the new Murray, Utah store that Barnes and Noble is planning on opening this year??
Regionally it appears we may have also missed an opening in Salem, Ore. late last year.
https://www.barnesandnobleinc.com/press ... ore-salem/
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They opened a small format in Burlingame earlier this year in an old Amazon 5 Star space. I think it’s about 4,000 sq ft and they did quite a bit of work converting it.
Shame they didn’t wait, the Banana Republic and Pottery Barn next door closed shortly after (although both have giant “LEASED” signs on them now). That Burlingame Ave corridor is constantly switching out tenants but always pretty high occupancy.
Shame they didn’t wait, the Banana Republic and Pottery Barn next door closed shortly after (although both have giant “LEASED” signs on them now). That Burlingame Ave corridor is constantly switching out tenants but always pretty high occupancy.
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They seem to be early in testing smaller formats. They turned a smaller mall store into a B.Dalton a year or so ago. So unlikely they would have done anything differently if they were intent on a small format. Based on the comment that the corridor is constantly shifting that indicates shorter lease availability, which aligns with a test of a much smaller format. Maybe they'll try using the B.Dalton name later and see which brings in more revenue. Nobody is going to lease a larger space like those three suites combined unless they are getting a couple decades of lease term.lake52 wrote: ↑May 15th, 2024, 3:44 pm They opened a small format in Burlingame earlier this year in an old Amazon 5 Star space. I think it’s about 4,000 sq ft and they did quite a bit of work converting it.
Shame they didn’t wait, the Banana Republic and Pottery Barn next door closed shortly after (although both have giant “LEASED” signs on them now). That Burlingame Ave corridor is constantly switching out tenants but always pretty high occupancy.
Amazon Books initial small store, highly curated concept was great, but they couldn't stop messing with it and the customers got whiplash from the back and forth. There is a place for smaller bookstores focused on the bestsellers, some gifts and such. Amazon went off the deep end with 4 Star which felt cheap and rushed, and they had effectively converted the Books locations to the format towards the end when few books remained in the stores. Then because of the impatience, arrogance, and incompetence of Amazon they killed the entire idea.
If I was B&N I would go after the best of those Amazon stores. UTC San Diego was busy and productive. University Village in Seattle. Westfield Century City (which was mysteriously torched by an arsonist, I'm not sure if it ever did reopen before the chain closure).
Related, Costco seems to be phasing out books. New stores going forward do not have book sections as part of the new smaller build prototype. The space has reduced in the existing stores and there seems to me more kids books and such than new releases and bestsellers lately. I can think of a few stores in San Diego where I didn't see the book section on my last visit and I wonder if they had removed them.
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Which chain bookstore did you frequent back in the 2000s??
Here's a map of where I believe were the most dominant book chains in each state: https://haydenbusinessblog.blogspot.com/.
If you beg to differ, please let me know. Which chain bookstore did you frequent back in the 2000s??
If you beg to differ, please let me know. Which chain bookstore did you frequent back in the 2000s??
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Always liked Borders better than B&N. Even if it was a smaller store. It seemed to handle more low cost paperbacks.