Meat shortages?

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Until the 70s you didn’t know what types of pesticides were sprayed on crops, and many of them were nastier than what is used today
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storewanderer wrote: April 30th, 2020, 11:23 pm
veteran+ wrote: April 30th, 2020, 7:02 am "consumer advocacy groups" ??

In quotations?

Interesting..............I'm curious, why in quotations?
I'd use the quotations now too. Not sure I'd have used the quotations in the 90's. These groups have become less about direct consumer advocacy and more about lobbying and political agendas.

Irradiated meat never sounded very appetizing, though...
That's a broad stroke opinion!

And respectfully I acknowledge you are entitled to take that position.

I suspect that corporations will appreciate that view quite a lot.
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jamcool wrote: May 1st, 2020, 12:19 am Until the 70s you didn’t know what types of pesticides were sprayed on crops, and many of them were nastier than what is used today
So true!

And thanks to "consumer advocacy groups" and perhaps even "Labor Unions", we found out about how nasty they were.
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storewanderer wrote: April 30th, 2020, 11:49 pm Two package limit on meat now at SoCal Albertsons/Vons locations.
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What about the customer who wants to buy 10 pieces of meat but a variety of cuts? Out of luck, I guess. But it is okay for the customer who wants a couple of cuts, to get the 2 mega packs and end up with 10 pieces of meat...
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A video version of this story must have gone out on the CNN Newswire (heck, could have even been a v.n.r.) as our local TV conglomerate featured a story with the "grocery guru" Phil Lempert being interviewed and all the video was of SoCal Albertsons or Vons.

To respond to your remark, most Albertsons (and Safeway stores now) have a "butcher block" and claim they will cut what you want. So I guess in theory if you wanted a few cuts, they could package you up two reasonable packages under the policy that stores 'reserve the right to limit quantities.'
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storewanderer wrote: April 30th, 2020, 11:23 pm These groups have become less about direct consumer advocacy and more about lobbying and political agendas.
Irradiated meat never sounded very appetizing, though...
What other agendas do they have other than trying to eliminate chemicals and carcinogens from our food supply?
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The meat shortage rumors have led to crazy long lines at supermarkets and Walmart. This wave of hoarding is getting ridiculous. A friend who is a Walmart cashier said that the store closes at 8:30 but they are still ringing up people at 9:30. A shopping cart full of $700 worth of stuff is common at closing time.

I saw Walmart employees put out a tall tower of plastic wrapped toilet paper and watched in horror as it was about to topple over.
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storewanderer wrote: April 30th, 2020, 11:49 pm Two package limit on meat now at SoCal Albertsons/Vons locations.

https://www.newsweek.com/safeway-trump- ... ge-1501189

Two packages is a little interesting. Two packages with 1 steak or two packages with 5 steaks?

What about the customer who wants to buy 10 pieces of meat but a variety of cuts? Out of luck, I guess. But it is okay for the customer who wants a couple of cuts, to get the 2 mega packs and end up with 10 pieces of meat...

Would be more convenient to see them go back to reasonable one pound size packages of most cuts... (obviously still larger size packs for roasts). I know it is a labor savings to focus on the "big packs" but those go really fast even with a quantity limit.
Perhaps that is their way of making it more fair for all types of shoppers - the one shopping for a household of 5 or 6 (or more) could still get enough with two of the large family packs, while those shopping for just one or two could take two of the single packs and have enough for them.
If they only offered the smaller packages, those with many to feed would be required to make extra trips just to get enough (or send multiple family members), both of which make it harder in stores.

Of course, there isn't always a way to know that someone buying the large pack needs it all at once, but if it is a smaller family and they freeze the rest, that cuts the needed shopping trips also, so it really isn't bad either.
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klkla wrote: May 1st, 2020, 11:49 am
storewanderer wrote: April 30th, 2020, 11:23 pm These groups have become less about direct consumer advocacy and more about lobbying and political agendas.
Irradiated meat never sounded very appetizing, though...
What other agendas do they have other than trying to eliminate chemicals and carcinogens from our food supply?
It is like anything else, activist positions are taken and "sides" are taken by what should be neutral politically groups. I get they have determined they need to take sides politically to get anything done, but ultimately they have made their bed.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... ers-lobby/

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/1 ... by-support

And what do you think all those "green meat substitute" companies are doing and cozying up to?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB114351167476409676

Then this one that says a few of the "consumer advocacy groups" are actually backed by corporations in the industries that they are supposedly representing consumers with...

Sort of like when I read a political website in my state, that sells itself as "Independent," but at the bottom of every article where certain individuals are mentioned, they disclose the governor donated them money and that the owner of a large Las Vegas casino enterprise donated them money. At least they disclose their financial support quite openly and in every article they write about these individuals. "Consumer advocacy groups" often do not disclose such ties so openly.
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storewanderer wrote: May 2nd, 2020, 12:25 am It is like anything else, activist positions are taken and "sides" are taken by what should be neutral politically groups. I get they have determined they need to take sides politically to get anything done, but ultimately they have made their bed.
At the end of the day these organizations are flighting for healthier food options. They're alarmed by the large amount of chemicals and carcinogens used in food processing today and organizing to get the word out. The companies that benefit from all the chemicals and carcinogens have more money so they encourage the corporate media to do things such as describing Consumer Advocacy Groups as "Consumer Advocacy Groups" in an effort to discredit the organizations and then people repeat it on message boards for the same reason. You put in quotes for a reason.
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klkla wrote: May 2nd, 2020, 1:30 pm
storewanderer wrote: May 2nd, 2020, 12:25 am It is like anything else, activist positions are taken and "sides" are taken by what should be neutral politically groups. I get they have determined they need to take sides politically to get anything done, but ultimately they have made their bed.
At the end of the day these organizations are flighting for healthier food options. They're alarmed by the large amount of chemicals and carcinogens used in food processing today and organizing to get the word out. The companies that benefit from all the chemicals and carcinogens have more money so they encourage the corporate media to do things such as describing Consumer Advocacy Groups as "Consumer Advocacy Groups" in an effort to discredit the organizations and then people repeat it on message boards for the same reason. You put in quotes for a reason.
It it difficult to separate the (legitimate and doing things to try to help the consumer) Consumer Advocacy Groups from the (somewhat questionable) "Consumer Advocacy Groups." If you know what I mean. I would say both exist.
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